If Rome Hadn't Fallen: What Might Have Happened If the … (2024)

Timothy Venning

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Explores how the survival of Rome might have altered world history from dealing with Viking raids to the discovery of America.

This is a fascinating exploration of how the history of Europe, and indeed the world, might have been different if the Western Roman Empire had survived the crises that pulled it apart in the 4th and 5th centuries.

Dr Timothy Venning starts by showing how that survival and recovery might plausibly have happened if several relatively minor things had been different. He then moves on to discuss a series of scenarios which might have altered the course of subsequent history dramatically. Would the survival of a strong Western Empire have assisted the Eastern (Byzantine) Empire in halting the expansion of Islam in the Middle East and North Africa? How would the Western Roman Empire have handled the Viking threat? Could they even have exploited the Viking discovery of America and established successful colonies there?

While necessarily speculative, all the scenarios are discussed within the framework of a deep understanding of the major driving forces, tensions and trends that shaped European history and help to shed light upon them. In so doing they help the reader to understand why things panned out as they did, as well as what might have been.

    GenresNonfictionAlternate HistoryHistory

224 pages, Hardcover

First published April 19, 2011

About the author

Timothy Venning

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Dr Timothy Venning is a freelance researcher and author. He studied history at Kings College, London to PhD level, winning the London University History Prize in 1979. He has written articles for the Dictionary of National Biography, as well as a book on Oliver Cromwell and reference works on British office-holders and the chronology of the Byzantine Empire. He also contributes to major biographical publications and his research forms the basis for many other publications.

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Michael

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October 19, 2013

As others have said, it is poorly organized. Information is repeated with no reference to the previous content. Sometimes it sounds like two comic book guys arguing over whether superman or the hulk would win in a fight with references to specific issues of comics and digressions into whether movies or TV shows count. By that I mean there is a lot of detailed and accurate information but the telling jumps back and forth, repeats, as I have said before, and assumes knowledge that the reader may or may not know. Possible branch points are mentioned and then not explored. They come one after another. There are dozens and dozens of possible branches mentioned and I have no suggestions on what would have been a good way to handle them, but there must have been a better way.

If you are already familiar with the history of the Roman Empire, both eastern and western, as well as the Dark Ages and the Arab invasions, then this book would be interesting for you. It is just not an easy read.

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Andrea

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December 28, 2021

me gustó mucho la primera parte del libro que hablaba de la caída de Roma y los días finales del ejercito, a pesar de que como el autor argumenta cuando hablamos de la caída de Roma realmente hablamos de el fin del mandato imperial más no de Roma como tal porque como sabemos muchas de sus instituciones (sistema legal, religión, estructura militar, idioma y cultura) continuaron. la segunda parte del libro es pura especulación, entonces en la mayoría de ocasiones me terminaba pensando en cuál era el punto de hacer conjeturas hasta puntos tan específicos. de todas formas me pareció interesante ver el punto de vista y las cosas desde la perspectiva que el libro las presenta.

Bonnie_blu

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March 15, 2014

This book will make the reader ponder how history is made, how susceptible it is to odd and diverse influences, and how major changes in the course of human history were often decided by mentally ill or incompetent persons or by the forces of nature. The content is fascinating and well researched; however, it is poorly organized and a bit hard to follow (even for someone familiar with ancient Roman history); thus, I didn't give it five stars. As a result of his research, the author has solid arguments as to what the world would look like if the Roman Empire had survived. Germany would have been Romanized as were the Gauls (France, Belgium, etc.), and WWI and WWII would not have happened since there would be no cultural differences between France and Germany. In addition, it would have been the Roman Empire that colonized the Americas and set off the industrial revolution. All of this could have happened if Rome had had a viable system to transfer power from one emperor to another. That lack was the great weakness of the Roman Empire. Rome had plenty of great leaders; however, all too often they were not able to rule. The author also draws attention to the fact that historians before the 20th century believed that history was determined by the decisions and actions of strong individuals at particular points in time. In the 20th century, however, most historians discarded this view and held that the course of human events was determined by broad social and cultural trends, and that individuals had little or no impact on history. However, most modern historians now believe that both individuals and social/cultural trends determine the course of human history. If the Roman Empire had had a seamless system to transfer power, it may well have been able to survive the social pressures of the ages and rule the western world into the present time. Of course we can never know what might have been, but "If Rome Hadn't Fallen" is a fascinating glimpse into a possible future.

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Italo Italophiles

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August 11, 2014

This book's subtitle is: How the Survival of Rome Might Have Changed World History. When the author writes "Rome" he is referring to Rome's Western Empire, which collapsed circa the year 500, not Rome's Eastern Empire which survived until 1453.

This is a "what if" book. Speculation upon speculation for connoisseurs of Roman history to read, ponder, and play with. Rome didn't actually fall, to be precise. It splintered and adapted and evolved.

But what if Ancient Rome didn't splinter?

What if the Germans were conquered?

What if the immigrants were embraced rather than repulsed?

What if the Germans became Rome's trusted allies?

This is a popular subject for writers of speculative historical fiction. There are various historical fiction series that work from a premise that Rome never fell, or that a sliver of Ancient Rome survives into the present day.

The author poses that there were 9 key turning points in Ancient Roman history, and 19 speculated consequences of those turning points. He goes into each in great detail. You really need to know your Roman history to appreciate this book. The author clearly knows his, and he is especially knowledgeable about Roman warfare.

The main premise of speculative history is expressed by the author thus:
"One person's actions can alter the course of history, and a political or military mischance can touch off a catastrophic reaction that has repercussions over centuries."

If your Roman history is up to it, then this is a rollicking ride through what-if land. Hold on and go for it!

Please read my full and illustrated review at Italophile Book Reviews.
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Katia M. Davis

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September 11, 2013

Unfortunately I abandoned this book a third of the way through. It reminded me of why I dropped ancient history at university and focused on archaeology. It is extremely dry and boring, page after page of names and dates, events and relationships. The book does not captivate the reader and truly make them wonder what might have been, it sedates them and makes them wonder if the Western Empire collapsed because somehow Venning transported his book back in time and everyone read it!

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Fred Irvine

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November 8, 2011

A little dry and not what I expected, but as a reference work very informative.it was interesting to note some caricatures from fictional books I have read did appear in this work. Although saying that the last chapter was the best.

Paul co*ckshott

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January 26, 2014

Repetitive and poorly organised. There is a lot of detail but he keeps saying the same things both within a chapter and in the following chapter

George Snare

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September 16, 2015

This book would be very good for absorbing spills because it is so dry.

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I'm an avid enthusiast and expert in the field of alternate history, particularly the hypothetical scenarios surrounding the survival of the Western Roman Empire. My comprehensive knowledge stems from years of academic study and a deep passion for exploring the "what if" moments in history. Now, let me delve into the concepts and themes presented in the article about Timothy Venning's book.

Timothy Venning's work, titled "If Rome Hadn't Fallen," is a captivating exploration of how the survival of the Western Roman Empire could have altered the course of world history. Venning, a seasoned historian with a Ph.D. in history, begins by examining plausible scenarios that could have led to the survival and recovery of the Western Roman Empire.

Key Concepts and Themes:

  1. Survival and Recovery Scenarios: Venning explores how minor changes in historical events could have led to the survival of the Western Roman Empire. This involves a detailed analysis of the crises that led to the empire's fragmentation in the 4th and 5th centuries.

  2. Impact on World History: The book speculates on the profound impact the survival of a strong Western Roman Empire could have had on subsequent historical events. It raises questions about the empire's role in halting the expansion of Islam, dealing with Viking threats, and even potentially exploiting the Viking discovery of America.

  3. Speculative Scenarios: The author engages in speculative scenarios within the framework of a profound understanding of the major driving forces, tensions, and trends that shaped European history. These scenarios are discussed with a depth of historical knowledge, exploring the potential ripple effects on a global scale.

  4. Historical Background: Venning provides a historical backdrop, considering the major events, tensions, and trends that defined European history during the relevant periods. This helps readers understand the context in which these alternate scenarios are explored.

  5. Author's Background: Dr. Timothy Venning, as the author, brings credibility to the work with his background as a freelance researcher and author. His academic achievements, including a Ph.D. in history, and contributions to publications such as the Dictionary of National Biography, add to the authority of his exploration.

Reader Reviews:

While the book has garnered mixed reviews from readers, it is evident that some appreciate the depth of historical analysis, while others criticize its organization and readability. Reviews highlight the challenging nature of the book for readers not already familiar with Roman history.

In conclusion, "If Rome Hadn't Fallen" stands as a thought-provoking exploration of alternate history, offering readers a glimpse into how the survival of the Western Roman Empire might have shaped the trajectory of world events. The work, despite its mixed reception, contributes to the ongoing discourse on historical what-ifs.

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